but when you and i argue about money, we're not talking trillions of dollars and the prospect of global depression. that's what is at stake in the daily talks between president obama and leaders of congress, talks due to resume three hours from now how white house. by many accounts, the session got heated yesterday between obama and eric cantor. while they bicker, the big three credit rating agencies are warning the aaa bond status could be at risk. the debt ceiling deadline, as you may know, is august 2nd, but the president set tomorrow for the deadline to see if a grand bargain is possible, if not a

bare bones bargain. if not, payments to critters, bill payments, you name it, there is not enough income to cover all that. every month we come up $125 billion short. if we cannot borrow to bridge the cap, 40% of the monthly obligations could not be paid, and that could include social security checks due to go out on august 3rd. the stakes we just laid out are monumental, so both sides have to give ground and risk their jobs for the good of the country. what is so hard about that, right? joining me with their insights on conflict resolution are cnn contributor, pete dominic, and family law attorney, mrs. winestein.

what does it take for two entrenched parties to agree on a deal that both need? >> well, you know, the obvious is that you take the emotion out of the room and you try to deal with the practical. what we deal with is the practical and not the legal when we're trying to negotiate this. they're trying to take the politics out of the room and get to a solution that can solve the short-term problem that is looming right now, and get that done. because all the politics and all the emotion, you don't get anywhere. we need to put our business caps on and get to practical solution, and we find that in the divorces. that's how we get them settled. >> pete, are politics that much different from ordinary life? shouldn't the politicians be able to come to some type of agreement with so much at stake? >> of course they should, randi. but politics and elections are like love. they make you do crazy things. you can't take the emotion -- i

disagree. she sounds like a great lawyer and therapists, but you can't take the emotion out of politics and out of these issues. it is like a marriage in that you have a lot to lose. but it's not just them. they could lose their jobs and lose an election, but the whole country -- the whole world's economy could lose. so the stakes here are way higher than something personal or just a job. there's a lot of emotion. i am waiting for speaker boehner to cry and the president to storm out. maybe they will get something done that way. >> i knew you were going to go there. i just knew it! if you were in the white house cabinet room today i am curious as to what you would advice, the president and speaker boehner, how would you bring them together? >> i disagree with what was just said. you have to get into the psychology of whatever is it, and yes, the stakes are so much higher. what i would do, you have to let everybody have a voice, but at the same time you have to say,

well that's all well and good, but now we have to come to a solution. you have good ideas and you have good ideas, and we have to get the politics and emotion out of the room, and we have to look at something practical. there has to be a solution. if everybody is going to worry about their jobs and constituents, which i know that's important, the job is never going to get done. emotion and money can be a disaster. you have to listen. everybody has to listen to each other, and like you said at the outset, they have to give a little bit. it's a compromise. there's no winners at the end of the day, and everybody feels like a loser. so for we the people -- >> can i say something? randi, let me say something sexists here. the problem is men don't listen. we don't listen that well. my wife may not appreciate this, but i slept on the couch for something that i said that was wrong. one of the problems is they are not listening to each other enough and they are just talking and not thinking about the

consequences. it's not just their jobs or elections, but there is the whole world economy. there will be emotions in it, and there should be emotions in it and i root for emotions, but in the ends you have to get it back together because it's not just you. >> i don't know, janelle. maybe the answer is to bring in a woman to resolve this. >> well, we deal with men all the time. there are husbands and wives. you need a good mediator in the room, regardless of gender, because you are right, you men don't listen. but at the end of the day, you need somebody in there with a level head that can pull the emotion out. until you put those emotions to the side, and i don't care if it's big business or marriage or the country, you have got to get your egos outside. we know for you men, that's tough, but it can be done. i have confidence in these people and their abilities. they have to get the politics and emotion out of the room. >> all right. interesting discuss, and certainly a -- >> nancy pelosi is in there, but

we're not talking about me at all? >> no, we're done. thank you both. a mistrial declared today in the perjury trial of former baseball great, roger clemens. the jurors were shown a videotape of the hearings on performance enhancing drug use in baseball. part of the tape did include evidence that the judge ordered as inadmissible. about-face for rupert murdoch. they have agreed to appear before the parliamentary. initially murdoch said he would not be able to attend the july 19th hearing. the probe was launched yesterday in response to allegations that journalists working for murdoch's empire illegally eavesdropped on phone messages and bribed police.

and new jersey senator, the democratic lawmaker that just called on the u.s. attorney general to investigate whether this phone hacking scandal has reached the u.s. we will be speaking with him. in less than an hour, the man accused of murdering a 8-year-old brooklyn boy makes his first court appearance. the boy disappeared on his way home from summer camp. the surveillance video is the last time that he was seen alive. the video shows him talking to a stranger identified as evie aaron. police charged aaron with murder. officers say they found human remains in his freezer and a trash bin two miles from his apartment. he told police he killed the boy in a panic after seeing the child's face on a missing person's poster. there was no warning or intelligence indicating a terror

attack. yesterday's three bombs killed 18 people in mumbai, and investigators don't know who was behind the explosions. >> the fact that they took place minutes within each other, separated by eight to ten minutes, shows that it was a coordinated terror attack. >> the government has been careful not to finger pakistani militants. a cnn crew finds itself under fire in libya. >> reporter: wait! wait! >> reporter: there are's gun fire all around us. >> they make their presence known. what happened, right after the break. with no artificial flavors or preservatives. naturals from purina cat chow. share a better life.

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five months into libya's civil war, government troops launch a surprise attack on a rebel-held town. the rebels were forced out of quaulish, but later they recaptured the village. our crew was there when the fighting erupted and had a very close call. watch this. >> reporter: you guys! wait! mary! >> reporter: wait! wait! are you in, mary? >> yeah, i'm in. >> reporter: okay, just calm

down. get down! get down! >> ben wedeman joins us now. sometimes you become part of the story, especially in this case. what was that moment like for you? >> reporter: we really felt exposed, randi. even when you are in a car, bullets can rip through the side of a car like they would through paper, essentially. you're driving up the road and hearing all the gun fire around you, and one of the bullets could easily go right through the car and right through us. so you're getting there and driving as fast as you can, and you're hoping that the bullet, the gun fire is going to go further and further away. as you saw in the video, we're driving at a good -- basically about 80 miles per hour, and those bullets kept on coming over, just over the car and around us. so we couldn't get out of there

fast enough, but fortunately, we did. randi? >> and all are okay, which is wonderful news, considering what we just saw there in the video. any idea why you had come under fire? >> reporter: what we know is that when we arrived at the outskirts of the village, there was a check point manned by two teenage boys. they told us that gadhafi's forces had entered the village. the drivers went to the top of the hill next to the road. when they got to the hop, they saw just about 150 yards away from them, two carloads of military forces. we actually saw them just moments before that incident that you saw on tape. and they also came under fire. clearly what had happened is the

gadhafi forces out flanked the very lightly defended rebel forces in the village and started to open fire. as you know, a long battle ensued and it was not until this time yesterday that the rebels were there. this is significant because it's about the last road before you get to the main highway that links southern libya with the capital tripoli. and that's a gadhafi strong hold. that's where a lot of the supplies get there. they go up the highway to tripoli. what they are trying to do is take go aleash, and get to the highway and get to the capital.

>> glad to see you are safe today. thank you. we want to show you live pictures now into cnn of betty ford's hurst. we did have live pictures, but right now this is in grand rapids, michigan. what we are seeing today is the peoples' service, which is a chance for fans of the first lady, those who -- the former first lady, those who she had an impact over the years can come and honor her. we do have the video that we can show you of the hurst, but we will show you that right after we take a quick break. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. and form a layer called biofilm so strong it survives brushing. thankfully, there's listerine® antiseptic. its triple-action formula penetrates biofilm, kills germs and protects your mouth for hours.

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if you search the remember right now for the terms boycott murdoch, you will find a bunch of social media sites dedicated to just that, boycotting rupert murdoch. in addition to the paper, news of the world, shutting down, news makers have called on murdoch to appear at a hearing in connection with the case. and murdoch also summonsed this woman on the same day the murdochs are to appear. and neil wallace has been arrested. let's look at the online murdoch boycott movement. and there are a few responses to other tweets. to be fair the effort has not

gained that much traction. it has only a few hundred followers last time we checked. but could you fully boycott murdoch's media reach? we looked into it, and turns out a boycott may not be so easy. for starters, you would need to stop watching your favorite tv shows on the video streaming site. readers of the "new york post" and "wall street journal," they would need to find a new source of news. and "american idol" runs on fox, owned by, yes, you guessed it, murdoch. and then for fans of the l.a. laker's star, kobe bryant, murdoch has partial ownership in the lakers and new york rangers, and madison's square garden, so

forget concerts or other special events at those venues as well. there is one event connected to murdoch that you could watch for the next few years, and that's the super bowl. fox broadcasted the game from dallas, and won't have it back until 2014, so you can enjoy the game, of course, if the lockout ever ends. here are top stories. foreclosure fell, but that doesn't mean the housing market is on the rebound. the droppoff is said to be due in large part because of processing by banks. in light of the high profile casey anthony trial, the state of florida may consider a new law prohibiting jurors from profiting. scott randolph is expected to announce the proposed legislation this afternoon. the bill would prohibit jurors from making money or taking any

other compensation in exchange for information about a trial. in minnesota, the government shutdown as an unlikely victim. beer sales. state employees who processed alcohol license renews were let go. they are currently trying to work out a deal with the state. among the beers affected is miller lite and coors lite. drivers in los angeles are freaking out in anticipation of this weekend's historic traffic jam. they call it carmageddon. because the 405 will be closing in order to demolish a bridge and make repairs. some airlines are even offering carmageddon getaway flight deals. chad meyers is joining me for much more on this.

carmageddon. >> 5,000 cars travel this freeway on a weekend. any given weekend, especially on a summer weekend, when you are trying to get to the beach and back and fourth. from santa monta and l.a., just to the north of ventura, you will see increased traffic flow. nothing you can do about that. and that's a kind word. from the santa monica, all the way up through it, and into the canyon, and the 405 will be shut down. they are taking down the bridge -- not the bridge of the 405, but the bridge that goes over the 405 so they can put in another lane, a high occupancy vehicle lane. all of this will be closed because of that bridge right there. this is obviously google earth. and that bridge is in the way of expansion, and also in the way of all the traffic this weekend. so if you want to try and get around it, how do you do that? here is where it stops, on the north side.

the ventura freeway here, and you can take it over to the hollywood down into the harbor freeway and then to the rosa parks and santa monica and back. and then you can, what i call bush wacking, the glenn over to topanga canyon, or any of the roads that go slightly through the canyon into the santa monica mountains. the best thing i can tell you is not how to get around it. you can go to a website, and then all of a sudden can you have ten or 20 miles of backup, and you are on a empty tank that would be painful. >> gas up and get to vegas. that's what i would do. >> get out of town today. >> exactly. >> chad, thank you. hundreds of people are saying good-bye to betty ford.

she is to be buried next to her husband a short time from now. these are live pictures from inside where the funeral service will take place at grace her casket has arrived and the funeral service should get under way around 2:00 p.m. eastern time. she died friday at the age of 93. we will have a live report from michigan right after this. my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts.

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episcopalepiscopal. former first lady, betty ford, is being laid to rest today in her michigan hometown. she died on friday and was 93. she will be buried next to her husband, gerald ford, in grand rapids. ted roleins is joining us now from outside the museum as we continue to take a look at these pictures of people gathering inside waiting for the service to begin. ted, tell us who you have seen

so far in terms of those that have come to pay their respect. >> reporter: well, it's so far the overwhelming and memorable thing that we have seen is the thousands of people that are from grand rapids that really did take that wild ride with the fords from michigan, as they came the president of the united states and the first lady, and then afterwards this was their home, and they lived in california and then in colorado for a while, but this was their home. they saw it last night and this morning where she lay in repose, and they left to go to the church with the body. 5,000 people from grand rapids filed through and paid their respect to the former first lady. we are expecting attendees at the funeral to include, barbara bush, and former president clinton, and the eulogy at the service, and then following the

service the family will come back with their mother and she will be laid to rest on the backside of the museum, as you mentioned, next to her husband, gerald ford, on what would have been, ironically, his 94th birthday. >> is this where the ford's were actually married, this church? >> reporter: yes, this is where they were married, and this is where people came to say good-bye to gerald ford after he passed in late 2006. his service was in early 2007, and it was one of the spots where the people paid their respect here. it was a church that meant a lot to betty and gerald ford, starting with their marriage. >> can you add anything, insight about what life was like for betty ford? this was her hometown and where she grew up and where she will be buried. >> reporter: this is where she

grew up. she was a dancer, and wanted to go into dance and was a professional model for a department store in grand rapids, and she left and then came back and continued to work as a model, she had a first marriage which did not last very long and then met the love of her life, gerald ford, and then soon after they met they started their life-long love affair, and so grand rapids is where betty ford started and where she lived most of her life before she met gerald. >> we will continue to wait for this service to begin. just about a half hour from now, and we will continue to bring you many more of the sights and sounds of betty ford's funeral as it gets under way. a judge declares the mistrial in the perjury trial of baseball great roger clemens. we'll tell you why next.

time is running out for president obama and congressional leaders to reach a long-term deficit reduction deal. according to two democrats familiar with the discussions, if both sides fail to reach an agreement on spending cuts and tax hikes by friday, they will have to shift their focus to

solely raising the debt ceiling. the president is meeting with both parties today, marking the fifth straight day of talks. a shocking development in the roger clemens perjury trial. a federal judge declare add mistrial today after jurors watched a prosecution video that the judge ruled inadmissible. u.s. district judge, reggie walton, said prosecutors should have modified the video. authorities are still trying to figure out who was behind a series of deadly explosions that rocked mumbai yesterday. the homegrown organization is suspected. some security experts say a lack of intelligence about the attacks indicates a government failure, but officials insist all hostile groups in the area are, quote, under radar, and those responsible will be found. media tycoon, robert mur murdoch and his son james, will

attend the meeting at a british house of commons. "mad men," collected 19 nominations. they got four of the six bids for the best supporting actor in a comedy. the next closest was amc with 29 nominations. lawmakers will trade in their blackberries for baseballs tonight as the republicans take on the democrats in the annual congressional baseball game. senate and house members of each party teamed up since 1909 to

relieve frustration on the diamond. what do you think they are frustrated about these days? medical breakthroughs help heal wounded soldiers that defend our country, and that's good news for you, too. we'll explain next.

battlefield breakthroughs. after ten years of war wounded soldiers need them. we're talking about medical firsts and cutting edge techniques not only healing the men and women in war, but healing patients like you and me as well. cnn correspondent, barbara starr, got a look at the technology and techniques firsthand. how does this help military doctors in the war zone? >> well, randi, as part of the

special report we were looking for sanjay gupta's morning show, we had a look at a very unique program where military doctors who are headed for the war zone are actually training at this civilian hospital. we hope nobody needs this kind of care, but they are learning to deal with the kinds of battlefield injuries, accidents, traumas, that they may see once they get to afghanistan. we want you to listen and watch some of the things that we saw when we went there. >> the wounds appear to be superficial. >> 15 up, and ten minutes back. category a, priority one. >> reporter: every day, dozens of trauma patients are wheeled here. this man came from multiple stab

wounds. but right alongside the civilian trauma doctors, nurses and techs, military personnel. >> the injuries that i have treated here and see here at this hospital are the closest thing to the injuries that i saw in iraq that i experienced in the continental of the united states. i have had a gentleman whose entire scalp was torn off in an industrial accident, and i have an individual who was now involved in a motor vehicle accident, and we have to rerecrate the skull like we have to do in an ied blast. >> if you suffer one of these traumas, but if you do, there is going to be medical personnel who was in the medical war zone, either as a reservists, or who

served in active duty and then retired and went into private practice in communities across the country. doctors tell us what they learn from the war zone are new techniques in blood transfusions, and in managing fluids in trauma cases and how to deal with brain injuries. the kinds of things, you know, that tragically you see across america in car accidents and motorcycle mishaps and industrial accidents. now, after ten years of war, a lot of this expertise coming home. randi? >> a lot of the expertise, it sounds like, may actually be used to help the rest of us, not only us in the war zone. how will that work? >> well, again, what medical personnel are telling us, it's the shear volume of the injuries they have seen over the last decade of war that have given them the lessons learned on how to deal with the things. traumatic brain injuries,

perhaps is the biggest example, and you see that in sports injuries with young people in high school playing football, perhaps, or in college, they suffer brain injuries if they get hit hard, and fighters, and motorcycle accidents, and all of the things they are learning about how to deal with those types of injuries from the tens of thousands that they have seen in the war zone, and coming home and applying the same lessons here. >> barbara starr, fascinating story. thank you. this weekend we should let you know that barbara will be joining dr. sanjay gupta for a special series on military medicine, and see how the ten years of innovation are changing your health care here at home. that's this saturday and sunday morning at 7:30 a.m. eastern on cnn. it's the world's new ers nation. now the newest member of the united nations. can you name it? the answer coming up in globe tracking right after this.

in afghanistan, a suicide bomber blew himself up in a mosque today killing at least six people. the attack occurred in the southern city of kandahar, just a day after hamid karzi buried his brother, wali karzai. he was killed by his long-time bodyguard. the taliban claim the shooter was working for them. and the u.n. is reported that the number of afghan civilians killed in the war soared up to 15% in the first half of the year. 1400 civilians were killed in fighting between american and nato forces and the taliban and other militants. in india, more details today

in the bombings of the financial capital of mumbai. government officials say they had no warning of the explosions. nobody claimed responsibility for the attacks. the government has been careful not to point the finger at the pakistani militants who were responsible for the 2008 attacks. those who carried out the latest attacks worked in a very clan dau stein manner. and then south sudan today became the newest member of the united nations. the former southern half of awe africa's largest nation celebrated independence on saturday in a ceremony attended by world leaders, but a lot of hard work does remain. south sudan is one of the poorest countries and least

developed, and much reach an agreement with the northern neighbor with the border and oil fields and citizens. new video just released from nasa showing the view from the space shuttle "atlantis" as it took off. as you know, this is the very last space shuttle mission. it is now docked at the international space station and scheduled to return to earth a week from today. i can just look at those pictures all day long. imagine if you could make not only yourself, but entire events just disappear with a cloak. scientists, believe it or not, they have found a way. that's coming up in two minutes. you do not want to miss it.

every day on this show we do a segment called the big i. now, imagine if you could do this. >> let's see them. put it on. whoa. >> my body is gone. >> i know what that is. that's an invisibility cloak. >> what i am about to tell you makes harry potter's event seem little. imagine what this could mean. i want to bring in scientist, bill nye, the science guy. he joins us from los angeles this is really cool. a lot of us are talking about it. when we talk about the invisibility cloaks, like what

we saw in the "harry potter" clip. you are fooling the eye. but what we're talking about now is a space time cloak that goes beyond that, as far as i understand it. how do you make entire events invisible? >> okay. first of all, it's great. this is great. this is fabulous. thank you for having me. let me point out that the "harry potter" cloak is not real. >> it's not? >> are you with me? yeah, that's not really a thing. here's the idea. you might have seen this on a james bond movie, and i can tell you they experimented with it on fighter planes. you have an object, let's say a new york city taxicab, and you have fiber optic material -- this is the old way. you have a piece of fiber, and then you have a bright light, and you would shine it on the

wall and it would hit the fiber, and then coming out the ends of the fiber would be the very same color, it would be -- there, the bright white would come out the end of the fiber. that's the old way. if you have many fibers, running around the thing you want to hide, your would not just be fiber-optic. instead, it would have so-called meta material, metamolecules, the next level of molecules, and they would control in the only the speed -- rather, not only the light going through the material. they would control the speed of it. now, when we contr now, we control the speed of light all the time with a pair of eyeglasses or magnifying glass. are you slowing the light down in the glass, and because the glass in this case is curved, the light comes out at different times on the other side of the glass. well, suppose you could do that without curving the glass and

without having an enormous magnifier or whatever you call it in front of your taxi cab. instead, you would make the cab out of the very material, and then you would not only control when -- the direction of the light but when it came out. >> so if i'm understanding this directly, i mean, you're the science guy. bear with me here for just a minute, but this creates some type of what, a gap in the light and then -- and then this creates the sort of a blind spot in time, is that how it works? >> yeah, in time. you would control when it came out of fiber, when it came out of the other side of the fighter plane or the taxi cab or whatever it is you're trying to hide or cloak. >> how long would something like this last? how long does the cloak last that you could have this gap? >> well, right now in the articles that i read about this they are talking about things theoretically on a nanosecond, a billionth of a second, but, wait, there's a little bit more, or if you will, a little bit less. they are talking about 1/10 of

that, 1/10 or 1/100 of a nanosecond so it sounds like an insignificant thing. who cares, considerably less than the blink of an eye. but the application of this may not be hiding taxi cabs or young magicians or "star trek" opposing starships. instead, it would be controlling the speed of information in a computer. >> okay. >> so you would be able to have the computer do two things at once. would you have a clock running that was doing something, and then you'd send the information off on another path, slow it down, control, it mess around with it and then have it rejoin the original signal at the appropriate to im, and you would do this on the scale of atoms. so instead of having transistors like in my watch, you'd have zillions of switches. >> right. does it matter what the light

source is? i mean, if it was sunlight versus a flashlight? >> yeah, yeah. so traditionally you can send any color light through a fiber-optic, through a fiber, so this is white light coming through the fiber. that's all big fun, but if you take an individual frequency like in this case red and send red through, it then it might be easier to control. furthermore, you could have the red light doing one thing, the purple light doing something else and the green light doing something else, and then you would be able to compute at another scale, at another level, and this would change the world. it would like comparing two radios to a modern computer, so it's very theoretical, but it's a great story, and i'm really glad you guys covered it. it's a cool thing. it could be the beginning of a whole new era in information. >> sounds like it can change the world, and with all that information, i've got to tell you, it pretty much rocked my world. i'll need a whole other session

with you on the side off camera so i can better understand this. >> hit me with it all, it's big fun. >> you were concerned about getting to our interview today because there was some traffic in los angeles. are you concerned about the carmageddon in l.a.? >> i'm concerned. for three days. crying out loud. can't you find something at home, and, sure, there are people that must get to work. service people that have to get to places. and if you go to a restaurant and wand to get waited, but it's three days, everybody. we can do it. >> there you go. >> furthermore, having our infrastructure, this big bridge that's in the way, having that look good reflects on all of us. like let's make it look good. it's something we use all the time. millions and millions of people see it every week. let's take the time, show some pride. it will be fun, everybody.

come on. >> have a little staycation at home. >> that's right, yeah. >> bill nye, always fun to have you on, and i'll call you later to get the full briefing on that cloak. >> it is exciting. >> i know. >> really glad you guys covered it. thanks. >> thank you. and for much more on this check out my facebook page, facebook.com/randikayecnn. so should tax increases be in any deal to raise the debt ceiling? that next. [ male announcer ] do you know how you will react when someone changes lanes without warning? or when you're distracted? when you're falling asleep at the wheel? do you know how you'll react? lexus can now precisely test the most unpredictable variable in a car -- the driver. when you pursue perfection, you don't just engineer the world's most advanced driving simulator. you engineer amazing.

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welcome back. time now for a cnn political update. deputy political director paul steinhauser joining me from washington. paul, what do americans think? should tax increases be included in any agreement to raise the debt ceiling? i'm just curious. maybe americans have the answer here. >> reporter: yeah, they might, they might. because it seems like democrats and reasons cans can't agree. republicans in congress saying no way, mr. president, no tax increase whatsoever in a dole to win the debt ceiling. this is from quinnipiac university, just came out this morning. should the agreement, if there is an agreement, be only spending cuts. about a quarter say yes on that, but look at, that two-thirds say taxes on the wealthy and corporations should be included in a deal. randu, randi, democrats and republicans

differ on the results. >> i want to ask you about gop presidential candidate ron paul. we had him on the show yesterday talking about the debt ceiling, and he clearly is very against raising the debt ceiling. >> reporter: oh. yeah. >> going a little bit further now with that, isn't he. >> reporter: going on tv, coming soon to a television in new hampshire or iowa. take a look at this, his new ad. take a look. >> in the '80s they did it to reagan, a debt ceiling compromise. democrats promising spending cuts but delivering only tax hikes. >> reporter: sounds like a movie trailer. a new ad going up tomorrow and the first two states to kick off the presidential primary calendar in iowa and new hampshire. his campaign tells us it's a six-figure bye so should be a pretty big buy for those two states. >> sure sounds like it. and the next update from the best political team on television is just an hour away. meanwhile, we begin this hour in grand rapids, michigan,

where the funeral of betty ford, to quote one longtime resident, is almost like saying good-bye to mom. the nation's 39th first lady is being laid to rest alongside her husband today after a service that's getting underway right now at grace episcopal church. mrs. ford passed away last friday at 93, and though she lived her final years far from the public eye, her contributions to public life made her part of america's family, like mom, to her dying day. my colleague ted rowlands is at the presidential museum where the first lady's casket will return after the service. set the scene. is there an outpouring today for mrs. ford? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. you see the names inside the church. former president bill clinton is there sitting next to barbara bush. the cheneys are there, the rumsfeld, people here outside the church here at the museum that really hit home with me, the amount of people in grand

rapids that really looked at betty ford and jerry ford as one of their own because they were. they came from michigan, and this community rode that crazy wild, you know, roller coaster as they went to washington and served for so many years, and then eventually became president, and then afterwards, when betty ford not only brought that photographer in to document her recovery from breast cancer, but then brought the national consciousness towards addiction and shared her own addiction troubles and then her contributions post-presidency with all of the cancer centers and addiction centers that she has helped -- that she helped build through her life, so the outpouring, very significant here in grand rapids, as you might imagine. >> ted works can we expect to be speaking today at this service? >> reporter: lynne cheney is actually going to do one of the eulogies, one of the ford sons steve ford will do a reading, and then -- but lynne cheney is set to do one of the eulogies so

we'll hear that coming up in the next hour. following the service, the ford family will come back for a very private burial, and it's just at the back end of the museum. there's an above-ground tomb where gerald ford is buried now, and they will put betty ford right in next to where he. is that will take place after this ceremony that you're seeing, but that will just be family. >> and in all, i mean, what would you say and what have you heard from people there as you've spent some time there in town? what really truly set betty ford apart, would you say, from her predecessors? >> i would say honesty. talked to one gentleman who is a newspaper reporter back when the fords were just making their transition from here to washington. keep in mind, gerald ford was a football star at the university of michigan, and then after he came back with a yale law degree, he met betty ford and then they went off right away ant started this world of politics. he said the one thing about betty ford is she was honest.

call her up, and she would give you an answer, an it was an honest answer. when spir oh, agnew resigned, he called the fords and betty picked up and said please call me if jerry is picked for vice president, and he said i'm not calling you back because there's no way he'll be picked. the reporter that was regaling us with this story was just her blunt honesty, and you saw that in the way she lived her life during those private times. she made them public, and the country through it with her. >> very quickly, ted, can't let you go without remarking on the incredible timing of this day. this was a very important day in gerald ford's life. >> reporter: yeah. this would have been his 98th birthday, and it's ironic, if you look behind me. see the statue here of gerald ford. this was just put in on monday outside the museum. planned to be put in here because this was his birthday week, a represent cast statue that sits in the capitol rotunda

in washington, so when the family arrived here with the coffin, they saw this statue for the very first time, and as they entered the museum, they all stopped and michael ford, one of the sons, put his fist up and -- in acknowledgement to his dad and the statue there, so the timing, it's pretty remarkable. >> it certainly is. ted rowlands for us in grand rapids, michigan. ted, thank you. human rights watch says libyan rebels have been beating civilians and looting their homes and businesses over the past month. cnn's senior international correspondent ben wedeman went to one of the four villages named in the report to investigate, but during the coverage, weidman and his crew got caught in the middle of a five-hour long fire fight in the village of gawalish. that's in today's sound effect. watch what happened. >> you guys, wait.

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walton set a september 2nd hearing about whether to try the case. rupert murdoch and his son james have now agreed to appear before a parliamentary committee investigating britain's phone hacking scandal. initially murdoch said he wouldn't be able to attend the july 19 hearing. the hearings were in response to allegations this journalists illegally listened to thousands of voice mails and bribed police. the tsa is taking action to speed up security screening. tsa chief john pistole announced the first steps for a so-called trusted traveler program. the aim is toas security screening for passengers who voluntarily release certain information. initially the pilot test will be available only to current participants in a u.s. custom programs. those include certainly frequent flyers on american and delta

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leibby kletzky. his chilling death has a devout tight-knit brooklyn jewish community, like many of us, grappling to make sense of what happened here. theman arrested and charged with his murder is this man, 35-year-old levi aron who will be arraigned in just a few minutes as police continue to thoroughly search his home and his backyard for possibly more remains. we'll bring you the hearing for instance side the courtroom when that happens as son as it gets under way. aron and his victim are members of a close-knit orthodox jewish community in brooklyn. kletzky was last seen with aron in a dentist office. you can see right thereto 8-year-old highlighted. police say the little boy asked aron for directions after getting lost on his way home from summer camp. he only had to walk seven blocks. investigators say they found the little boy's body parts in arn's freezer and a trash bin a couple of miles away. let's go straight to deb feyerick who is live in new york. what is the latest there in

terms of this hearing as it's about to get under way? >> reporter: well, randi, we can tell you the hearing is set to get under way. the suspect is 35-year-old levi aron facing charges of kidnapping and murder, both charges in the first degree. this was really rattled with every parent wrestling with how much freedom to give children in the city, even neighborhoods that are safe. 8-year-old leibby kletzky was showing he was a big boy from walking home from a nearby day camp. the senseless killing, so random, has rocked the community and even seasoned police officers. >> deb, what do you know -- >> this business you see a lot of violence, but there's usually some sort of irrational twisted logic that's given to why a -- a violent event took place here. i mean, it's just -- it defies all logic, and i think that's really so, so terribly

disturbing about this case. there's absolutely no reason. there's nothing more innocent than an 8-year-old child, and to be, you know, killed in this manner is just -- it's heartbreaking. >> now we're told that court, rand irk, has just started. little is known about the accused killer except that he worked as a store clerk. reports say that he lived at home with his father who works at the popular b & h photo store in manhattan. aron's ex-wife to whom she was married for a year spoke to him a while ago. >> i'm in shock, can't believe it. definitely not in his character for the person i knew, you know. when i talked to him a short while ago, everything was fine >> reporter: shithe child was buried yesterday. the family has been spared

details of the gruesome death, and we're waiting for information inside the court howe. we're told court has started. it's also going to be interesting, randi, to see whether in fact aron will be asked to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. randi? >> it's been reported that he's confessed to killing this little boy. any more information on that confession? >> reporter: the understanding is that when he was confronted by police officers, he did give them information. reports saying that there had been a big manhunt, big search for this little boy because he was taken so close to where he lived from his day camp, but he said that apparently he panicked when word got out that there was a big search, an maybe that's when it happened. right now a lot more expected to come out in court, randi. >> a lot. deb feyerick watching the court hearing for us. deb, thank you. perhaps what makes this more unnerving and disturbing is not only the detales of kletzky's murder and where it happened and what community it involved, as we've been talking about.

aron and kletzky are from a very devout enclave of heaasidic jew. we wanted to bring in a rabbi who is a world leading relationship and spiritual expert. he joins me from new york, along with "new york times" reporter liz robbins who has been covering this story very closely. liz, i'd like to start with you. when you say borough park what, comes to mind for most new yorkers? i mean, how safe is this area? >> reporter: i would say the residents of borough park, a mostly hasdic feel very safe or at least until yesterday felt very safe, having their children play with one another, having the children walk alone without adult supervision but also having parents lock after the other children. it was very safe, but all the parents that i talked to yesterday felt completely shattered and said they'd have

to re-examine what they do now and how strict they are with their children. >> rabbi, i'd like to ask you because, you know, certainly any time something as horrific as this happens in a community, they are in shock, but what's different, would you say, about this community maybe in terms of tradition or beliefs that -- that makes this different? >> well, there are three reasons why people choose to live in a more insular religious community. the first is shared value and the second is security in numbers and the third is filtering out corrosive influences, especially for children. now with this case of this unbelievable monstrous brutal murder of leibby kretsky you have the dismissal of all three. what values was levi aron raised on if he's crazy? he's an absolute monster. he's from this community. these are are not our values. security in numbers. saw how many people were out volunteering to save this little boy, help this boy and saw the community being galvanized and working together, but the third

thing is if the purpose to live together in religious communities is to protect our kids from popular culture, television, some of the lyrics of music, can you imagine this, that a boy inside this insular protected community is butchered in a manner reminiscent of -- i can't even imagine this. the community is shocked to its absolute core. it has no precedence. >> what is the sense of trust, rabbi, in this community? i mean, is that why you think maybe this little boy might have approach this stranger? i mean, i don't think they knew each other, certainly hasn't been report that had they did, so is it just a matter of trust in this very insulated community? >> that's a very good point. look, we have a childhood obesity epidemic in america because parents won't let their children walk home from school because of stories like this and we've become very insular. communities where we look alike because they share these values

and same religious commitment. there is a feeling of trust that this is someone i -- i may not know him, but he's not completely a stranger, so that will also rattle a lot of people. i mean, how many other crazies are there within our own communities who may outwardly subscribe to our deep-seeded human values of sensitivity, compassion but really are monsters? i mean, have you to understand this isn't about just the brutal murder of a child, the aftermath of what he did to the body. everything about judaism is designed to inculcate a certain sensitivity, even to inanimate objects, stories of moses not being able to snipe the dust of egypt, let alone to brutalize the body of a boy. this has no precedence. >> certainly doesn't. liz, i'd like to ask you, in your reporting of this story, were there any warning signs? we always ask that question, but i'm just curious. were there any signs that this guy, aron, might have been up to no good before? >> there really weren't many signs. i think he was not directly from

borough park. he was from kensington, lived there, had lived in tennessee for a time, so people in the community really didn't know him which is what makes it even odder that this 8-year-old would i would go up to a stranger apparently lost when he was walking back from his camp, and he had arranged with his parents actually to meet his parents just seven blocks away, and they had gone through the route, so this was a sign of independence, and yet he got lost and thought that he trusted this man, but nobody really in the community knew about him, and we're just starting to find out about what a person he was and is. >> yeah. liz robbins from the "new york times" and rabbi, thank you so much. a very hard topic to discuss, but happy to have had you on and be able to shed a little bit of light on this community. thank you. the number of foreclosures across the country is down almost 30%, but the number of worried homeowners still on the rise. we'll tell you why next. but afraid you can't afford it?

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gee, the number of foreclosures has dropped dramatically so far this year, but it's not necessarily a good sign. cnn money's poppy harlow joins us with more. poppy, this isn't good news? >> reporter: no, it's not. the headline looks like great news from a year ago, foreclosure filings down 29%, but you've got to dig into the report, rabidi, and that's where you see what's going on. in the first six months of this year, 1.2 million homeowners went into foreclosure. that is a lot. 1 in every 111 homes. sounds good, but not when you dig deeper. it's raising false hope that this housing market is recovering. why? the person that issued this report, the ceo of reality tract

came out and said the only reason we're seeing big decline is because the banks have really slowed down processing that paperwork. you get foreclosure filings. you get warning notices, a lot of paperwork. why is this? remember back a few months when we had the first reports of that robo signing scandal, banks basically not having their paperwork in order, not knowing who necessarily owns the mortgage or all the right paperwork to foreclose on your home, so they are trying to get that paperwork in order. there's a lot of this going through judges, so bottom line it's been stalled. now, what reality track has said is they are estimating up to 1 million foreclosures that should have been processed this year are not going to be processed until next year. it's not like they are not happening anymore. they are just not happening right now, randi. >> so we don't really know when this will all be worked out to get the housing market back on track. >> reporter: oh, we don't know what. >> okay. >> reporter: okay, exactly. >> poppy harlow in new york,

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welcome back. i'd like you to meet moris which stands for mobile identification system. an officers can hold this device six inches from someone's eyes, take a quick photo and the photo recognizes somebody's irises and can pull up any criminal records and did pull up information from five feet away and can even recognize fingerprints. on the surface this sounds like a great idea, but there's some controversy looming around mo ri s so joining me now is andy hill, a retired sergeant from the phoenix police department. andy, let's talk about the benefits of moris first. would i bet that this is -- that this would help officers in many instances. >> yeah, hi, randi. i think it's a great tool to

have, and like every other tool that's out there, you have to make sure that, you know, you use it judiciously and don't abuse t.for example, the facial recognition part is fantastic. when you think about law enforcement, all police officers from the beginning of time have been actually doing facial recognition in their beat areas. get to know people and recognize somebody so the facial recognition part is really just a normal day-to-day duty. it's when you get into the other parts of these biometrix where you have fingerprints or the iris scans, that you're getting a little more intrusive, and you have to kind of look at the issues of privacy. >> yeah. a lot of people, you know, some people are raising questions about this, because if you take these pictures and you do these scans and they go into this database, so it has some folks wondering, well, what happens? what if i'm not a criminal and you put all my information in a database. is that a valid concern, would you say? >> absolutely. that's why it's up to law enforcement to create policy and procedures that keeps those that are innocent away or out of those databases and, of course, you need to go ahead and review and make sure those are being

done. it's a very important part of law enforcement now to be able to use facial recognition at the borders or minimum wager events, you know, an especially the border crossing issues now with terrorism. you have to have that, but you also have to make sure that if you're going to be on the street as a police officer using a new mobile device that you're using it appropriately, and have you to consider all of those issues surrounding privacy, and you can't just put people in a database. you want to use a criminal database or those that may be in there already. >> what do you think in terms of asking permission? i mean, some police departments that are planning to use this have said, you know, we will ask permission. we're not just going to snap photos and use the facial recognition. how important do you think it is to get the -- the person's permission to do so? >> i think it's fine to do that. you know, consent is the basis for so many things and in law enforcement you can do consent if you want to search someone's home if they give you consent. not the preferred way, rather

get a search warrant from a judge. you don't necessarily have to do it with the facial recognition if you're taking a picture from far away, but i think you might want to do that if you're going to take a person and ask them if they can stand still for a minute or get a close-up of their iris or take their fingerprint. then you have an intrusion in a privacy issue and i think consent is a way to go. up to law enforcement not to abuse the tools that they get. >> and despite what some might say about it, one sheriff's department in florida that's been using similar technology since 2004, an they have made 700 arrests. they said that's what that technology has resulted in. so clearly there is some benefit, right? >> oh, it's a tremendous benefit. listen, would i imagine of those 700 arrests that they made, a lot of them were for arrest warrants. there are thousands of people with warrants for their arrest walking the streets of the united states of america and they can't get arrested because there is no extradition for those warrants. that's a major issue going on. you know, i've been very much a part of that over the last year

and law enforcement is always looking for tools to recognize people. you'll have people through facial recognition in some of these biometrix that may get identified with arrest warrant, so it might help reduce the backlog of those arrest warrants that exist in all communities. >> all right. andy hill, always appreciate you coming on to talk about stories like this one, so thank you very much for your insight. >> thanks, randi. and this just in to cnn. treasury secretary tim geithner just speaking on capitol hill talking about the debt ceiling and the negotiations under way. let's listen to what he said. >> thanks for giving me a chance to come up here and talk these problems and how to solve there. there's unanimity in that room that we're a country that meets its obligations. we're a country that pays our bills and that we will act and do what's necessary to make sure that we can maintain that commitment. as the majority leader said, we've looked at all available options, and we have no way to give congress more time to solve this problem, and we're running out of time, in the eyes of the

country are on us, be a the eyes of the world are on us, and we need to make sure that we stand together and send a definitive signal that we're going to take the steps necessary to avoid default and also take advantage of this opportunity to make some progress in dealing with our long-term fiscal approximate. we don't have much time. it's time we move. thank you very much. >> strong words from the treasury secretary there. we should remind you that that meeting at the white house takes place at 4:15 today. that's eastern time. we'll have continuing coverage on that and any progress that might be made on the debt ceiling today. betty ford is being laid to rest this hour. we'll have details from grand rapids, michigan. these are live pictures of the service now under way. ♪ call her. ok. [ cellphone rings ] hey. you haven't left yet. no. i'm boarding now... what's up? um...would you mind doing it again?

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the grace episcopal church site of betty ford's funeral service. indi don't know authorities are still trying to figure out who was behind a series of deadly explosions that rocked mumbai yesterday. 18 people were killed. 131 injured. the home-grown organization known as the indian mujahadin is suspected in the attack, but no one has claimed responsibility. some security experts say a lack of intelligence about the attacks indicates a government failure, but officials insist that all hostile groups in the area, are, quote, under radar and those responsible will be found. time is running out for president obama and congressional leaders to reach a long-term deficit reduction deal. according to two democrats familiar with the discussions, if both sides fail to reach an agreement on spending cuts and tax hikes by friday, they will have to shift their focus to solely raising the debt ceiling. the president is meeting with leaders of both parties today, marking the fifth straight day of talks. the popular shows "mad men"

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media barron rupert murdoch has gone from power broker to pariah in just a matter of days. murdoch is widely considered a brillant and sometimes ruthless businessman. he's pushed his media property, especially newspapers to success and notoriety by featuring sometimes sensational stories. cnn's allan chernoff has more. >> reporter: as rupert murdoch's great love has always been the newspaper business, say those who knows him. he demands dramatic stories,

telling reporters we will never be boring and frequently checks in with his top editors, one of whom used to be luke colasuonno. >> he's passionate about his newspapers, and along with that passion comes involvement to the day-to-day operations of his papers, particularly the bigger ones. >> reporter: murdoch's ambitions gan in his native australia inheriting his father's newspaper business. murdoch added media properties across the country and started "the australian," a nationwide newspaper and aggressively used them to support politicians he favored. overseas, murdoch's first purchase was a british tabloid, "news of the world," followed by "the sun," both of which he pushed to a new level of sensationalism. on page 3 of "the sun" was a rupert inowe. he became a central figure in the competitive newspaper market known as fleet street. former editor martin dunn says he was as tough as his headlines. >> he was the man who tamed the print unii don't understand so that newspapers became

incredibly profitable. >> reporter: checkbook journalism, paying for stories, was a regular practice that paid dividends with higher newspaper sales. some detractors referred to murdoch as the dirty digger. >> he ran close to what was -- might be considered journalistic ethics. i'm not saying he broke the law. i'm not saying he did anything illegal, but i will say that he's aggressive in getting stories. >> reporter: murdoch also used his papers as a power base, with his editorial support, margaret thatcher, tony blair, david camer cameron all rose to prime minister. >> he understood how to use the power of the media to shape the political views in the country, and in doing so to affect elections? and to assist his business ambiti ambitions. murdoch did the same in the u.s. >> now we are moving very fast at news corporation to have a worldwide platform.

>> reporter: newspapers, internet, television, film, all together have expanded his political influence. his decades of brilliant business and political success make this week's collapse all the more shocking. murdoch has achieved the impossible, said one observer. britain's normally divisive political parties are now all united against him. >> i think it's terribly devastating. he doesn't understand the word defeat. >> allan chernoff joins me live now from new york. allan, what can we expect in the next few days in terms of this? >> reporter: well, rupert murdoch would love nothing more than for this to fade away, but that doesn't seem what's going to be happening. next week we do have a hearing in parliament. rebekah brooks, the head of news international, is scheduled to appear, and we have word that the murdochs themselves, rupert and his son james, also will appear. this story is going to remain in the headlines with investigations continuing in britain and calls for

investigations here. it's still going to be a big problem for the murdochs, at least for some time to come. >> allan chernoff, appreciate it. thank you very much. and new jersey senator frank lautenberg has called on the u.s. attorney general to investigate whether this phone-hacking scandal has reached the united states. democrat lawmaker joins me now from washington. thank you so much, senator, for coming on the program today. i want to ask you, first, why call for this investigation? >> well, because the law says any u.s. corporation that bribes a foreign official is subject to severe penalties, not only fines but even criminal penalties, and we want to make sure that this company with all of its influence and the information that it passes to our region isn't doing that, and might they be, if they are doing, it might they be doing the same thing here and filtering out the news that they want to hear or that

they want to steal in this case and use it. we don't want that to happen. >> i have to ask is there something that you know that perhaps we don't that makes you think that u.s. law was violated? >> well, no. the u.s. law is very clear that it's against the law for an american corporation, and news corp is an american corporation, to use bribery to influence any federal official, and that apparently was the case, so alleged, and i want it proved that they did that with law enforcement people in the uk. so i -- i'm after it, just like i would be anyone who broke the law and did it in such are a manner that a corporate criminal violation, absolutely. >> we're getting word just today that rupert murdoch an his son james are expected to appear before parliament next week.

is that progress? do you expect that we get some answers that you're looking for? >> well, we'll watch with interest. right now i'm not calling on our committee to bring in rupert murdoch. what i want to do is get to the truth of the matter, and when we find that out from the justice department's review, then we'll make decisions about whether or not it's necessary to bring mr. murdoch in for other senior people in his operation. >> i'm curious what you would say to some who might say that that can lock a bit political. murdoch owns fox news, donates to republicans. you're a democrat. what's your response to that? >> well, first of all, it's nonsense. secondly, where's the value? i guess there could be some risk in challenging something as powerful as news corp. you've got the "wall street

journal." you've got the "the new york post" and got other papers. you've got three tv stations that are included, so why would we want to get that angry a bull angrier unless we had a really good reason to investigate? and we'll save that until we learn more about it. >> and have you had any response from the attorney general in terms of your request? >> not yet. this letter went out yesterday, and we asked for it to be considered hastily, and we want them to do that, but thoroughly is also a condition we want to observe. >> all right. senator frank lautenberg, certainly appreciate your time on the program today. thank you. a high-tech system that never forgets a face. how the u.s. military is keeping tabs on militants and men of fighting age in afghanistan. that's up next in "globe trekking" with our pal michael holmes.

well, critics might say it's big brother gone wild. according to the "new york times," the u.s. military is using a high-tech system to keep track of afghan militants and men of fighting age. here to talk about it, of course, is michael holmes. so what's going on? what's the point of this? >> we've known about this for a long time. i've been to iraq 11 times. every time i've gone in the latter years, we get biometriced before we get our press card. go in there and get the iris scan done and take a photograph of your ear. your ear is like a fingerprint, believe it or not. >> really. >> and what we're hearing is more numbers about how that's being used in the general populations in places like afghanistan and iraq.

in afghanistan, for example, the "new york times" is saying 1.5 million afghans have been put into these databases. now, that's one in six males between a16 and 64. in iraq it's one in four males of fighting age, something like 2.2 million that are new in the databases available to u.s. and nato and local afghan forces. >> this is just to keep track of them in case in. >> all sorts of things. it's basically a terrorism thing, but it's also -- it gets -- it gets interesting in afghanistan where you've got a country there that does not have a history of birth certificates and driver's licenses. it's a way of people having an id database. in iraq it's -- it's used for prisoners as it is in afghanistan. also used for people who are working for the government, particularly those working on u.s. bases, do it for everyone in iraq, seen them do it, and it's a way of securing, knowing who you're dealing with. what's interesting is they are using the little mobile scanners now which when they work they

are great, but you can actually scan people on site and find out who they are. when they had the big jail break, remember that, 475 people got out in afghanistan down in kandahar. they caught 35 of them using these things. so, yeah. it's an id checker. wouldn't happen here. try to do that here. >> there they don't have the rights that we do. >> absolutely. >> can't put me in your database. >> that's fun when they do the eye scans. >> i'm shower it's fun. >> i'm well biometriced by now. >> all right. i just want to talk with you as the u.s. space shuttle program is ending. >> yeah. >> we're taking a look and keeping an eye on what's happening in china. it's booming. >> no pesky economic problems there. >> no. >> and no pesky opposition to the government either. so they are powering ahead. way behind the u.s. in terms of technology and way behind the russians in terms of space technology. in 2003 they were the third country to sort of send somebody up into space independently, so

what they are wanting to do is expand that further and further. they want to put a man on the moon by 2020, and they are putting a lot of money into this. also going to be sending up a boxcar style sized module into space, and basically start building their own space station as well. now, you know, there's a lot of pride in being a space leader, and the u.s., you know, slipping back a bit with no shuttle program. we'll be hitching rides now up there. >> sure. before we run out of time, i have to ask you about a topic that i hate, of course, bugs, insects. they just creep me out. >> ending this on a downer. >> blame the producer, but the mass killing of bugs in hole left-hand. >> it's just cruel. >> it's not on purpose though. >> they are doing a study there. i mean, these studies are just amazing. they are doing a study on how many bugs cars kill, right, so they recruited a bunch of people, 250 drivers, for what they call a splesh study and

people played along every day they got home. did a bug count of the tag in the front of their car so the people could work out how many bugs are being killed and it said it could leads to all sorts of problems for poll nation and bird food. really? >> the dutch drivers kill about 133 bill crop insects a month. >> that's a lot of bugs out there. >> this is serious, michael. >> wait until peta gets on that. >> serious. >> protests in the street. or the humanity. >> i know that wasn't your favorite story but thanks for playing. >> these studies, some of them are nuts. >> all right, michael. thank you. well, the man at the center of the contemptious talks between the white house and congressional republicans, and he's not a politician. our jim costa will explain in the political ticker right after the break.

we have some breaking news to tell you about. reuters is reporting that the fbi is investigating news corp over possible hacking of 9/11 victims and their families. news corp, as you know, is the company under rupert murdoch. this as we also get news today that rupert murdoch and his son james are preparing to answer questions before parliament next week. we also just spoke with new jersey senator frank lautenberg who has asked for the u.s. attorney general eric holder to investigate whether any u.s. laws were broken in this hacking scandal, so once again the news just coming into cnn. reuters is reporting that the fbi is investigating news corp to see if there's any possible hacking that occurred of 9/11 victims and their families. we will continue to watch this and continue to bring you the very latest on it.

meanwhile, time new for a cnn political update. cnn's jim acosta joining me from washington. jim, what is hot on the ticker right now? >> reporter: well, of course, all the talk here in washington, randi, is about the debt talks that are occurring right now in the nation's capital between congressional leaders and the white house. and an interesting character in all of these talks is someone you may or may not know about, grover norquist, the head of americans for tax reform, a conservative group here in washington, and get this, randi. perhaps you've heard about this. grover norquist keeps in a vault in his offices pledges that have been signed by nearly every congressional republican vowing not to raise taxes, and i talked to the group earlier today trying to figure out where the gop presidential field falls into all of this and where they weigh in on this pledge. all of the gop candidate, except for jon huntsman, according to that organization, has signed that pledge, and up in new hampshire there's a new poll that's come out on the gop presidential field, and, of course, it's once again good

news for mitt romney. he tops the field at 29%. michele bachmann pretty far behind at 12%, and look at this, rudy giuliani, even though he's in the announced and has not campaigned a whole lot at 9%, and his folks say he should have an announcement as to whether or not he may jump into this race by the end of the summer. randi in. >> all right. jim acosta, thank you. tom hanks and ashton kutcher are tweeting about it. bill nye told me everyone needs to chill out. carmageddon in my xyz next. tnam. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve.

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